The Movie Crypt: Ep. 94: Actor Pat Healy

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Pat Healy is not only one of the most exciting and interesting actors to watch today (CHEAP THRILLS, COMPLIANCE, GHOST WORLD, MAGNOLIA, PEARL HARBOR) but he’s also one of the most honest, transparent, and inspiring people you’ll ever meet. On this unexpectedly emotional episode, Adam, Joe, and Pat go deep into the struggles, the successes, and the various hurdles that the industry’s changing times have on artists with incredibly candid discussions about what it’s really like to (barely) make a living in the arts and just how hard the “hard times” can actually be. From his opinions on method acting, to his experiences going to Sundance with a film that he directed, to his process as a screenwriter, to going broke from touring promoting his work, to how he finds a way to bring a piece of himself to every role he plays, to the harsh reality of what happens to artists on a personal level when fans stop paying to see their work properly… Pat generously opens up and shares his own brand of optimism that is crucial to surviving and staying sane no matter what it is that you pursue for a career. Your “Viewer Mail” is answered and things get surprisingly deep when discussing just how much of an effect fans have on each of the guys personally. If you weren’t already a Pat Healy fan, we can all but guarantee that after these 2+ hours you most certainly will be.

Meet Adam and Joe in person this Wednesday (3/11) in Austin, TX when they bring their new films DIGGING UP THE MARROW and EVERLY to the legendary Alamo Drafthouse South Lamar and record an episode of the podcast with YOU (the audience) as the guests in their first ever “MOVIE CRYPT LIVE” event. Live near Austin and think you know the answer to the trivia question asked on this episode? Then be the first to email “DetectiveWilliamDekker@gmail.com” with the right answer and you’ll win two tickets to the event. You can secure your tickets in advance here: http://drafthouse.com/movies/movie-crypt-presents-digging-up-the-marrow-and-everly/austin . Both films are currently in select theaters across the US and available on all VOD platforms and iTunes, as well.

Big fan of THE MOVIE CRYPT? Then you’re sure to love “Adam Green’s SCARY SLEEPOVER”, a new original series from ArieScope Pictures. The short format talk show features various genre celebrities taking part in a child-like slumber party at Green’s studio and opening up to him about what actually scares them. The first episode (“Kane Hodder”) is now available on ArieScope’s YouTube channel or in it’s proper extended and uncensored form on ArieScope’s official website: www.ariescope.com . A new episode will post every Friday throughout the season. Grab your pillow, turn down the lights, and whatever you do… don’t wet the bed.

@Pat_Healy, @Adam_Fn_Green, @TheJoeLynch and @MovieCrypt are all on Twitter so don’t forget to follow them and say hello.

  • Great job as always jobs. We really appreciate this so please keep up all the hard work you put into these on a daily basis. Thanks.

  • Tammy Kane

    Good information, keep it up. I BOUGHT Hatchet 1 and 2 the day they came out (I wanted the unrated version) and Love them both. I want to say that the disappearance of the video stores has seemed to increase pirating because people can only rent what movies redbox or netflix gets and sometimes that 28 day leader time might encorage it also for those that wanna see before they buy. But there will always be people who steal them just because they can and young kids seem to be the worst. I am an artist who creates horror props and haunt deco and before that a photographer for years and also designed shoes, A famous designer stole my design and changed it a bit and markets the item for thousands to my 40.00, People have stolen my artwork and used it on their websites without permission, So far so good on the props but I feel ya. I hope VOD gets better because I am one of those who wants to watch before I buy it too, If I like it I buy it and VOD helps but is not always available so then I have to go by trailers and word of mouth,. I wanted to tell you guys you were awesome for divulging that you have had to get counseling, it makes it easier and less shameful for others to do the same if they see you guys doing so well but knowing when you need a good ear to talk to. Your message it will get better, just persevere is true and This podcast could save someone’s life someday so GREAT JOB! It was good to hear how touched you are by people in pain. you sound like wonderful guys! Best of luck to you all!

    • Adam Green

      Thank you for such an insightful and personal message, Tammy. Very appreciated.

  • As someone who has had to quit filmmaking (hopefully temporarily) for financial reasons, this episode really hit home and was really important. Thanks for your honesty. It’s bad out there. And I’m not saying that out of self-pity, just out of fact.

  • RolandDeschain1 .

    Loved Pat Healy in THE INNKEEPERS. He and Sara Paxton have such great chemistry.

    It’s so rare to have a horror movie where you wouldn’t mind just a movie of the characters hanging out and chit-chatting.

  • Christian Stella

    I really want to thank you guys for continuing to talk about piracy. I’m one of the 3 main guys that made the big festival movie The Battery. I spent years learning how to film the movie. Then years to do the color and sound mix myself. When a distributor asks for a music and effects track to dub the movie into another language… We just don’t have any money to do that, so I spend 2 months doing that. I personally worked on the movie for four years. I have personallyvmade less than $1000 profit on it. In my real job as a food photographer I was once making $80,000 a year. Last year I made $10,000, having lost most of my longterm clients due to being tied up with the movie. Our movie was released in every way imaginable, including direct DRM-free downloads for $5 to own. I watched as 70,000 people downloaded our movie from a group called YiFy in just one day as we sold ONE real $5 purchase.

    My heart is broken. To achieve all the geeky things we always dreamed of. To get a Screamy Factory release, to get picked as the best horror film of the year by AICN, to play 55 festivals and win some of the biggest out there… It was beyond my wildest dreams… But it seems like, as a career, this is all a dead end. I have a ton of respect that you guys can even break even on the budgets you guys work with (which are still ridiculously low).

    I’m trying my best to keep at it with film, but I will also never turn down a client in my “real” job again. We’ve got a couple film projects on the burner, but I just booked myself solid with food photography jobs for 8 months. I have to pay my rent and take care of my wife. I’m not leaving the business, but I’ve downgraded my plans within it significantly.

    To the person on the outside looking in, it will be hard to notice these effects on indies as there will always be that new group of guys who blow through all of their savings to get that first film made. Those will keep coming, but I think you will see less and less follow-up films as these people have no more favors to cash in, and no more funds to do it all again.

    Keep it up guys… I’m actually a new listener, but our director has been yelling at me to listen forever.

    • Dennis Atherton

      I was going to comment on how much I love Pat Healy, The Innkeepers and Cheap thrills and im really excited to hear you talk to him,

      But that last comment by the Guy who made The Battery stopped me in my tracks, I’m literally Speechless that this amazing new filmmaker is going back to his old job because making this amazing first feature wont pay the bills anymore. Its really sad

    • Adam Green

      Such a heartbreaking comment to read, but also one that I completely understand and empathize with as it is something that all of us who are trying to make a career in entertainment are suffering from in this climate of thievery. How sad that THE BATTERY (which got nothing but praise and fantastic reactions) had to feel the effects of piracy so catastrophically that you’re choosing to stop chasing your own dream as much as you were. But I UNDERSTAND IT and I find myself at the same exact crossroads after each film I kill myself to get made. The only difference between us is that I was lucky to get my first big break with the success of HATCHET which was just ever so slightly still ahead of the piracy epidemic being as overwhelming as it has become. Thankfully I found a loyal audience that does care enough to actually support my work in theaters, on home video, or wherever they might legally pay to see it… not to mention purchase things like T-shirts, posters, etc in the hopes that it will keep ArieScope’s light on (which it BARELY, BARELY does) and help ensure that we can hopefully make the next project. But had HATCHET come out when THE BATTERY did? I’d be exactly in your shoes. All I can offer is that there is still hope for you and your team as well. So very many people who steal art honestly don’t understand exactly who they are hurting or what they are succeeding in snuffing out and we hear from listeners on a regular basis that they are going to change their ways after hearing the stories and facts presented in this podcast. Will they REALLY change their ways? One can only hope. For every listener who says “I pirate but then I DO buy the movie when it comes out”, the actual numbers show that they are way, way, way in the minority of pirates. In fact, most who say they do that sadly do not. (But SOME DO!) Cinema will find a way, as painful as these current times may be for all of us. Did I really WANT to spend two months on the road with MARROW going furthering debt, taking such a hard physical toll on my body, and taking so much time away from starting my next project/battle? Absolutely not. But by offering the road show with the art exhibit and by opting NOT to play all of the usual festivals in an effort to keep the film under lock and key (literally, it was ONLY in my hands up until the day of release so there was no way to torrent it until it hit VOD)… it helped and we’ve found great success with it. Many pirate films simply because they are frustrated waiting for them to come out, which while that doesn’t make it right by any means (until this file sharing/piracy technology existed we ALL waited for the films we were curious to see to come out in a format that we could opt to see/purchase film in), is hopefully forcing distributors to find new ways of releasing product so that hopefully less and less people steal them. With MARROW it helped the film become so successful by having no leaks and by Image making the film available to all through theaters, VOD, iTunes, etc on the exact same day. The tour served as our promotion and positive word of mouth/reviews that festivals normally gave our previous films, only by doing it the hard way we controlled the film and any profits made paid for the tour to happen. It sucks that it’s come to this (not everyone can do what we did and even I am not sure I could undergo something that hard again) and lord knows that we still have a major hurdle to organize with getting ALL countries/territories to try and coordinate releases to happen at the very same time (that one has been a bitch, but after enough distributors go bankrupt they’ll have no choice but to work together on that front)… but someday it will right itself. I completely understand that right now you need to do what you need to do and find a way to get by as opposed to just throwing yourself straight into another financial hardship, but I hope that you don’t let this disenchant you completely and that with time your heart and motivation heal enough to do it all again. Cinema needs you. Never, ever give up. – Adam Green

    • Joe Lynch

      Hey man,
      As someone who LOVED THE BATTERY (Green can back me up as I couldn’t stop raving about it since I saw it last year), I completely feel for you. And like Green said much more eloquently in his novella, the heartache and frustration you’re dealing with isn’t limited to any particular budget range or offer scale…we are ALL feeling it. The idea that one can “strike it rich” or “buy that home in malibu” or even “pay last month’s rent” are kind of a thing of the past. Making movies isn’t a get-rich-quick scheme anymore. It’s a hard, hard road to go down, but take it from us, there ARE benefits…even down to “that idea I had driving in my car is now playing AROUND THE WORLD” and affecting audiences with your art…while the rewards might not support you financially, there is something cool knowing that crazy, scrappy zombie art movie you guys cobbled together AFFECTED PEOPLE. You guys are artists. There’s a reason “Starving” comes so closely associated with the previous title. It’s not easy to do what you love, let alone make a career and even support your family. Adam and I have (and still do) struggle with this every day, so we’re on the front lines with you brother. Art has always adapted to the times and if your work on THE BATTERY is ANY indication, you guys are true cinematic artists and we will just figure out how to keep creating our passions despite the roadblocks. If WE can do it…you guys can too. Trust me. We’re in this together, which is why we spend the time doing THE MOVIE CRYPT, sometime for nothing more than to let our fellow CineSoldiers know that all of us, from the directors to the actors, writers, key grips, agents, producers, caterers, are in this together. We have to push ourselves, but also stick together, and Adam and I both wish you guys well and cannot wait to see what you have up your sleeves next. If you’re as passionate about making movies like it seems just from THE BATTERY, then you WILL find a way. Cause at the end of the reel, money comes and goes, but movies are FOREVER in the hearts and minds of those who experience it. I’ll never forget watching and being inspired by THE BATTERY, so thank you for that experience. Can’t wait to be inspired again!! – Joe

    • Dean

      For whatever it is worth I loved The Battery, to have a scene in which you basically have one character
      in one space for a long period of time, with no dialogue that is completely engrossing and edge of the seat
      stuff is just superb and I saw it on a nice shiny DVD that sits in my beaten up DVD folder, so maybe some small

      amount of residuals found their way to you ? ( but possibly not as I am learning from some of my own stuff ).

      I also have a nice new Digging up the Marrow on the way at some point, which I loved at the Frightfest screening.

      Long story short, there are people out there who will wait patiently for you guys film projects.

      Vote with your wallet is my belief, you get the films you deserve and you only get those films if they make

      money, until making a movie is as cheap as painting a picture, or drawing with pencil, it just will not be possible
      to be able to give the films away for free without major industry changes, so it is worth financially supporting
      the artists you enjoy, or else that art will go away.

      If you are an aspiring film-maker, their success is yours, if more films make money, more films will be greenlit
      and thus, by law of averages, surely the new film-maker has a better chance of getting something of their own
      made, if a healthy market exists ?

      Also Pat Healy is a fantastic actor, great in everything I have seen him in.

      I didn’t expect that to become a rant. ….urrrmmmm great show ?

    • Jennifer Lovely

      So I want to take a moment to say thank you. The Battery changed how I looked for movies, what I looked for in movies, what I want from my entertainment. Sadly this doesn’t put money directly in your pocket, but I will say, I bought the movie on Amazon streaming, from your website, AND the Scream Factory release. Your movie, in part, inspired me to start a movie blog (http://jengaloves.com/2014/01/the-battery/) and partially inspired me to start a podcast with a friend, (http://www.dontreadthelatin.com/2014/05/can-keep-secret/)

      But it angers me how entitled people are, thinking that they deserve all their entertainment for free when people use all their savings, or max out credit cards to make the film in hopes of it becoming a success.

      I know it doesn’t put money in your pocket, but I have not stopped talking about The Battery since I saw it. I can’t think of another movie that has affected me in such an amazing way in a very long time.

      Thank you for it.
      -Jennifer Lovely

  • I listen to this podcast off and on, usually depending on the guest of the week. I’m a maker of movies which I do because it is my art, and my life. I work a day job at a children’s home and bust my ass doing it and I’d like to think for a good cause. I’ve been making movies since I was younger and have only spent what I had in my pockets for the budgets going in the red more then a few times in order to make sure things and people were taken care of. My philosophy has always been that if the story were written well enough some flaws could be overlooked.

    With piracy becoming a topic more often discussed then not on this podcast it feels like I’m being told anything I work on will never bare fruit. That the second I release something, anything I should know I’m going to be robbed, and by people who are indifferent to how hard I’ve worked and feel a false sense of entitlement. Being more then aware of this I still make movies, and despite the fact I’m never going to have the notoriety of either a Joe Lynch or Adam Green, I will continue to make movies.

    I hear filmmakers on various podcasts always make the statement that the business is changing, but honestly hasn’t it always? Piracy has killed a lot of people’s dreams, but I’ll be goddamned if I stop making movies even if it’s on my dime. I just wish you guys would cheerlead filmmakers like myself more on your shows. I don’t mean name dropping, I mean encouraging those of else sacrificing every minute of sleep and dollar in our banks to continue making this insane art.

    Alright rant or whatever you call that over.

    On a side note, just a nit pick but could you guys get your project plugs done in the first ten or so minutes of the show and let the guest completely shine the remainder. Telling us that when Mr. Healy was previously supposed to be on the show and there were a great number of questions for him in viewer mail then answering mail that is solely about digging up the marrow seemed like a dick move.

    • Adam Green

      Nathaniel, your “rant” is so greatly off base, slanted, and in the minority of listeners of this show that it hardly warrants the time for a response. This podcast and it’s candid honesty is not only an encouraging source of inspiration to the hundred of thousands who listen to it each week but has even been used a learning tool in several top film schools across the country and hailed as “audio film school” by major media outlets. In fact, this very episode has received one of the biggest responses so far because of how encouraging it was to the many others struggling in their current circumstances as most find it helpful to hear from those already ding it just how hard it is for them as well. But in your current sad state, you only hear what your own negativity is letting you hear. As a guy who never misses an opportunity to trash talk me on other sites or who would even be as bitter, mean spirited, and jaded as to actually post a negative review of one of my films here in MY home on a previous episode in the hopes that I’d actually see it and read your two cents trying to slam me that you posted below it, you clearly have your own issues to get a grasp on and have missed the point of these 95 episodes thus far. (Sign up for IMDB and post away there with your negative comments, but don’t do it here in the hopes of hurting my feelings or getting a reaction and negative attention from others.) As I’ve learned the hard way over my years in the business that there is absolutely no reaching or changing someone’s outlook with an attitude as angry as your own, I’ll merely suggest that this is not the podcast for you and recommend that you move on and find a different one that you can enjoy. There are well over 285,000 podcasts out there and I am confident that you’ll find one that is more your speed and fits your current attitude better. My suggestion to you would be stop listening to us until you develop a more positive spirit on your own journey to becoming a filmmaker as you’ll find that you’ll have a far greater shot at success with your work once you get over your own anger towards others. “Answering mail that is solely about DIGGING UP THE MARROW seemed like a dick move” during this episode? Maybe listen again without your bitter blinders on and you’ll see just how completely wrong and ignorant of a statement that was to actually take the time to write and post. Although… even if that WERE true, as two guys who give so much of ourselves, our very little free time, and who bring on and share the personal stories and hardships of every friend we’ve made in the business just to offer the free public service that is this podcast each week, we absolutely would have every right to ONLY discuss our own projects and lives if we chose to as it is OUR show. When you’ve accomplished what you’re hoping to and if you hopefully find it in your heart like we did to pay it forward and donate your own free time and industry connections to do something similar to what we do for the wide audience that your work, personality, and generosity will hopefully someday attract… do it better and show everyone how it should be done. Once you start spending more of your free time working on yourself and your own films and less time criticizing others, and so obsessively hating on me I can only hope that you’ll find that things turn around for you and you find a way to cheer up, to be less negative, and to find your own way to “never give up” and make your own dreams come true. Until then, I highly recommend that you please don’t listen to this show anymore. Don’t waste more of your time that you could be spending making movies by listening to something/someone you have so much contempt and so little appreciation for and please don’t post anymore negative comments or reviews on our boards that no one cares to see. You are not the right audience for this show. Put your efforts into something more positive than criticizing others and you will find yourself in a much better place, I promise you. Good luck, take care, and I look forward to seeing you lighten up, conquer your anger, be more positive, find your own success, and show us how to do what we do even better someday with your own podcast. Until then, I don’t care to know or hear from you, and I certainly won’t take another 5 minutes from my life to respond to any more of your vitriol. This was it. -Adam Green

    • Joe Lynch

      Hey Nathaniel,

      Good luck on your movies. Hope you find your inspiration elsewhere, sorry it didn’t work with us. We share your tenacity and “fuck the world” attitude when it comes to the industry fighting against our hopes and dreams to tell stories, and dude, I got disparaging stories that would turn your pubes WHITE and have you run screaming from a film set. Lesser filmmakers have quit over the shit Adam and I have endured, both separately in our own careers and together as well. But we didn’t. We don’t. We WON’T. And through all that, we persevere by staying positive, creative (focusing on the work/play) and surround ourselves with people who push us, inspire us and DONT let us quit, even when shit is seemingly at it’s worst. Looking at the world through a glass half-empty will only meet with creative-killing stress and ultimately disappointment, so hopefully you find a podcast or other forms of inspirado to help guide your way that’s more your cup of Joe. Just not…THIS cup of Joe.

      I believe it was Sir Emilio Estevez who said in the masterpiece of 90’s cinema, Dr. Brian DePalma’s MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE….
      “Hasta Lasagne, don’t get any on ya!!!” – Joe

  • who is “Nacho”?

    • Joe Lynch

      Nacho Vigolando, the mad genius behind TIMECRIMES, OPEN WINDOWS & EXTRATERRESTRIAL. Def seek his work out!

      -Joe

  • so the person in Buenos Aires is not allowed to watch the movie? or have an opinion?

    • Joe Lynch

      Not if its not legally available in that area, in my opinion! But if it is, please, opinion away! That’s what cinema is supposed to elicit, subjective opinions from all who view (legally of course). 😉

      -Joe

    • Adam Green

      I said that if you illegally torrented and stole my work and thus fucked over me and all of the people that put 4 years of their lives into making it then NO, please don’t tell me about it as I don’t want to hear from or discuss it with you. While I clearly can’t stop thieves from stealing my work, I really don’t think it’s out of line to ask them to not say it to my face like it’s perfectly fine that you stole it and think that I should be willing to have a dialogue with you about it and be excited to give you my time. If you’re going to steal from me, at least find the decency to not say it to my face or ask me questions about it. If I stole something or yours but then had the balls to in turn ask you question about it and expect you to take the time to answer me, would you be happy to respond to me? I think not. When my movie comes out in Buenos Aires? Different story.

      • I agree, but a lot of stuff is simply unavailable (legally) outside of the US. this has changed a lot in recent years, but some stuff still takes months to be released outside the US (if at all). when you see critics raving about a film on twitter, it is very hard to resist the temptation to illegally download. I try to stream everything (legally) through Xbox Video or Sony Video Unlimited, but so much stuff is unavailable. recently Monster Pictures has been releasing a lot of indie horror online.

        • Joe Lynch

          I’m sorry but hearing from people around the world that something is worth watching isn’t enough of an excuse to justify needing to see something ASAP, that just shows immature impatience. There’s been TONS of foreign films that have premieres in other countries first, and even if I know they’re online, I’d rather wait to see it how the filmmaker intended it, not on a compressed quicktime file downloaded online illegally. Just be patient, your soul will feel better for it. Then, feel free to hate on anything we’ve done now or in the past, your opinion would mean much more than boasting you saw it illegally and then give us an opinion. Hang tight man, the goods are coming soon!

  • 50 Shades Of Grey and American Sniper are “small/personal movies”?

    • Joe Lynch

      Not considering the budgets behind them, they could be construed as such. 50 SHADES boils down to two people and their relationship…AMERICAN SNIPER is very personal in a milieu of War. So yeah, they could be seen as such. How do you view them? Would you view them differently if 50 SHADES was released by Magnolia and AMERICAN SNIPER was produced by a kickstarter fund?

      -Joe