Review: ‘American Sniper’ Has No Interest in Self-Reflection, Only Kill Shots

By January 16, 2015
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There are a few moments in American Sniper when it looks like the movie is going to start examining the psychological impact of being the deadliest military sniper in U.S. history. So much killing, even justified killing, the kind that saves your fellow soldiers — that must weigh on a person, right?

We’ve followed Chris Kyle (Bradley Cooper), a swaggeringly patriotic Texas meathead, as he’s distinguished himself among Navy SEALs as the best marksman in Iraq, both in quantity and quality, saving untold American lives one headshot at a time. His cohorts call him “The Legend,” which must produce conflicting emotions. We know he leaves behind a wife, Taya (Sienna Miller), and a growing family every time he re-ups for another tour. We can’t help but wonder what effect all of this has on him.

And then, curiously, every time it seems like we’re moving into that portion of Kyle’s story, the movie flees introspection and gets back to the important work of showing how good Kyle is at his job. Back in the States, he reacts with alarm to a sound that reminds him of gunfire — but nope, no, he’s fine. Never mind. A fellow veteran mentions how messed up some guys are when they come back; Kyle hems and haws for a second, then ends the conversation. Nothing to worry about. He misreads a harmless situation as dangerous, overreacts, chats with a doctor at the V.A. hospital for a minute, and then he’s good to go. Taya delivers a predictable line — “Even when you’re here, you’re not here!” — and then, later on, says something about how proud she is of how far he’s come. Wait, when did THAT happen?

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American Sniper, based on Kyle’s book and directed with dogged perfunctoriness by Clint Eastwood, is basically The Hurt Locker with all the nuance and self-examination removed. What’s left — a series of high-tension war anecdotes — is often riveting, and well edited (by Eastwood regulars Joel Cox and Gary Roach) for maximum sweaty-palms effect. Cooper’s performance, more intense than we’ve seen him do before, is solid and as thoughtful as the surface-level screenplay allows.

For a while, that’s good enough. Perhaps to hide the fact that there’s no real through line, the script (by Jason Hall) hopscotches through time, showing Kyle’s upbringing (his dad: “You’re blessed with the gift of aggression”), his love of hunting, his eagerness to serve his country after 9/11. He pals around with a series of soldiers, engaging in camaraderie, talking about their fiancees moments before being shot, that sort of thing.

But in the back of our minds, we know there’s got to be more to Chris Kyle — more to the movie — than this. I said before that we can’t help but wonder how his experiences are affecting him. Part of the reason we wonder is that we can’t imagine where else the movie is going to go if not there. No other threads have been introduced, no subplots that could potentially lead the story in an unexpected direction.

And so when the movie ends without Kyle really struggling, or even examining himself beyond a few cursory glances … well, why did we watch it, then? What message are we supposed to get out of it? That being a sniper is dangerous, intense, and exciting, but doesn’t really have any significant downsides as long as you’re great at it? Never mind whether this superficiality makes the movie reckless, it makes the movie pointless.

This blithe disinterest in going beneath the surface extends throughout the film. The soldiers constantly refer to Iraqis as “savages” while their own actions are unquestioned — and the film never presents a counterpoint to either point of view, to suggest that maybe some Iraqis are OK, or that there might be shades of gray in the war. Eastwood’s view is adamantly black-and-white. And that makes for dull drama.

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Eric D. Snider
Eric has been a film critic since 1999, and a beard wearer since 2008. He holds a degree in journalism and used to work in "the newspaper industry," back when that was a thing.
  • Beavus B’head

    It makes complete sense for a guy from “geek nation” to be jealous of a movie and soldier like Chris. Saw the movie tonight. Although Im not sure if Im the kind of person who would be friends with Chris, I appreciate the hell out of what he did.

    • John

      Appreciate what he did? He took orders from men trying to profit off of drugs and oil, and in that regard he performed wonderfully. The US hasn’t been in legitimate danger for a pretty long time, we just need to be convinced that she is so that all this aggressive military expansion seems needed.

      • southerninsanity

        Keep on hating.

        • Constitutionallysound

          Southern, keep rooting for unnecessary, U warranted and unjust wars, what a patriot u r.

    • We should pretend to enjoy a dull and pointless movie because we “appreciate the hell out of what [Chris] did?” Would we be risking our patriotism to admit Eastwood created a piece of snooze-fest propaganda?

      • southerninsanity

        It’s only “snooze-fest propaganda” to those who are against it before they even see it.

        • We should separate our feelings about the movie from our feelings about the Fed’s minions murdering people in other countries. I’m talking just about the movie. What are you talking about?

          • southerninsanity

            I’m talking about people like yourself who are criticizing the movie simply because of political beliefs. Again, it couldn’t be more inaccurate to describe this movie as “snooze-fest propaganda.”

          • Constitutionallysound

            It is described much more eloquently as being a JINGOIST DELUSIONAL WAR propoganda film- a NON-REFLECTING, PROBLEM EXACERBATING, ACTION-WITHOUT-QUESTION MURDERING JERKOFF SNIPER MOVIE. Sounds better than snooze-fest- I’m wide awake and livid this crap is swallowed whole in INDOCTRINATING FASHION by many Americans. Pick up on how to reason, so many are being robbed of that knowledge by cults- Most Americans actually. Figure it out stupid!

          • southerninsanity

            You don’t know the first thing about “reasoning.” Your nonsensical babble is truly pathetic. But you keep right on hating our military and people like Chris Kyle. They put their lives on the line for you to be able to spew this verbal diarrhea.

          • Constitutionallysound

            I don’t hate anyone especially kyle, I hate ignoramce and seriously THATS all you have, notice no readons DUMBFUQQEROO

          • Constitutionallysound

            Kyle put his life on the line for me? No he didn’t, there lies the problem, iraq posed no threat whatsoever.

          • Constitutionallysound

            You havent an reason to think invading iraq was legitimate- can’t focus bud?

  • S.M. Stirling

    Dude, you are showing your blinkers. Eg., assuming that emo self-reflection is some sort of universal constant, or should be. You really ought to get out of the bubble and meet people who are different sometime. Those who don’t spend a lot of time talking about their feels, for instance.

    • Constitutionallysound

      In movies like das boot where the movie is shot from a german sub you get a comrade feeling with these characters throughout, almost like they ar JUST LIKE YOU basically. American Sniper has no moral reflection because morality is not a tenent of a murderer, sin is the guiding factor-both for the muslims and the christian. Sin has nothing to do with morality, sin is what is against ‘Gøds will’ but we know no gød exists, just Viscious people telling the vulnerable WHAT TO DO unquestioned and without moral reflection. This movie By Eastwood while a marvelous photographic feet is just mode propaganda. Keep you head above it – there is never reason for war, haven’t you you heard? WÀR! …WAR! What is it good for?! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING -YA…WAR!

      • southerninsanity

        You truly need to get over yourself. I’m certain you haven’t even seen it with such blatant, absurd bias.

        • Constitutionallysound

          I’m not on myself, I’m on the FACT THERE WAS NO CAUSE TO INVADE IRAQ YA DUMBFUQ.

          • southerninsanity

            Profanity and namecalling … and yet you want to talking about being able to reason? Again, get over yourself. I’m glad your true colors finally showed through. Keep being anti-military. People like you who run off at the mouth about those who put their lives on the line to protect the rest of us are an embarrassment to this country.

          • Constitutionallysound

            Yes dumbshît, im tàlking a aboit being reasonable. you know caltain stupid, providing reasons for said belief. WE AMERICANS SPEND MORE MONEY AND HAVE A BIGGER MILITARY THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED TOGETHER. I am not anti-military, just anyi-delusionaal unwarranted wars in a country that posed no threat you collosal dûmbfuq- i call you a dumbfuq, because the shoe fits dumbfuq!

          • Constitutionallysound

            So you don’t realize we had people like kyle in a country withoit a cause or plan, just sniping retaliatory or that non thought out plan of attack, not defense. I pay taxes for defense, not offense buddy.

          • Constitutionallysound

            Who are you protecting by being in a country killing hundreds of thousands of civilians when they posed zèro threat to the U.S.? Hello southern insanity can you read?

          • Constitutionallysound

            How do you feel about this assessment? Make your bias feel more assured? I find CBS and Michele’s weighing in to be adequate and true as well. KYLE was an American warrior, both mentally and physically to have endured such, wish it had to happen less is really my point, and always as a last rough te not a plunderous sabotage. but Southern after reading this article that agrees with me you and your point that people in our corps are noble at heart brave men- they still can be lead astray when we dont put under a microscope the tenets of force or war or attacking, basic humanity. .http://www.cbsnews.com/news/michelle-obama-weighs-in-on-american-sniper/

  • CmonMann

    sounds like a pajama boy review, its all about him, and what he wants, waah waah waah

  • ELamp

    I think you’re misinterpreting this movie’s entire purpose. While you wanted the movie to be about the introspective aspect of Chris Kyle, and give some type of political statement on how “not all the Iraqis are bad”, the movie was about the facts. Bradley Cooper spent a lot of time with Kyle’s family, talking to them and watching home videos with Kyle in them, to figure out how to accurately portray Kyle on screen. Because of this, his father even said there were times when he saw his son in Bradley Cooper throughout the movie. My point is that Bradley Cooper played this role as if he were Chris Kyle. If it’s not dramatic enough for you, that’s because this isn’t fiction and it isn’t just an exaggerated Hollywood production. It is truth. I think that fact along makes this movie an incredible portrayal of one man’s astounding, extraordinary life.

    • Simon Friend

      If it isn’t fiction, why did they have to invent an arch-villain sniper for Kyle to go up against?

      • southerninsanity

        You, apparently, would have everyone believe that there’s nothing at al factual about this movie. I think it’s far more likely that the majority of it is based on fact.

        • Simon Friend

          Not at all. I was pointing out the flaw in your supposition that this movie is not fiction, it is truth. Not even a straight up documentary is tuth, and this is no documentary. At best, a biographic like this is a compilation of events as seen through the prism of writers, producers, director, execs etc. Even Kyle’s book cannot be perceived as ‘truth’ since it is an after the event take on events reformatted for public consumption, further skewed by editorial influences et al.

          The only people who can really have at least some sense of who Chris Kyle was and how he felt about his experiences are his family, friends and colleagues.

          The creation of a non-existent nemesis for Kyle is an obvious example of where the movie does not even attempt to present a real character/set of events, but rather inserts a dramatic trope in order to creates some sense of narrative and tension. This is pretty usual in biopics as Hollywood’s one essential tenet is to entertain. It does, however, highlight the artifice of the movie, which by necessity exists in all entertainments based on real-life events.

          • southerninsanity

            “I” don’t have any “supposition.” Your comment was in response to someone else, not me.

            You are correct about his family, friends and colleagues. Not surprisingly, they have all said that the film is quite accurate in its portrayal.

            But, you keep hating and ASSUMING that this entire film is fiction and none of these things actually happened.

          • Simon Friend

            ‘But, you keep hating and ASSUMING that this entire film is fiction and none of these things actually happened’

            Utter rubbish. It would appear to be you who is doing the assuming – Where am I ‘hating’? I made no comments on the quality of the movie or its entertainment value whatsoever. Where did I say that none of the events happened?

            My point was that any movie ‘based on true events’ is a fiction – that’s what ‘based on’ means, and I’m sorry, but Clint Eastwood and the script writer aren’t go to tell you any different.

            The poster I replied to seems to believe that American Sniper is 100% unadulterated reality translated directly to screen, which it clearly is not, nor can it be. It isn’t even true to Chris Kyle’s book. That doesn’t mean it isn’t a good movie.

  • Charliemyboy

    Haven’t seen it but will today. You have an odd review. His wife said it truly represented their relationship and the conflicts, stress and compartmentalization he was capable of. Perhaps your eyes are blurred for the good Iraquies?

    • Constitutionallysound

      We are all people, not just good guy guys and bad guys like likely your favorite fable says and westerns. we all Kimo Sabe, there are no savages- there are just indoctrinated non reasoning victims of their own lives and terribly immoral decisions- Made by SOMEONE ELSE. Be honest reasonable and responsible a do you’ll see is how its grade A propoganda.

      • the_manassa_mauler

        Yet war can become a reality in any age. This isn’t propoganda, it’s an examination of an individual dealing with survival in a brutal, unforgiving environment. It’s not jingoistic or flatly one dimensional as you seem to imply. The nuance is there, but it’s found in between the notes.. It’s a study of how and why tough exteriors are shaped, yet thru the eys and effect to those on the exterior you see the price that’s being paid underneath. It may be an older technique in the vein of crane, Hemingway or visually ford, but to call it flat or ineffective is your misstep in understanding it’s technique. The fact is it has the ring of truth, in regards to how brave individuals have to operate in a world which is hostile and indifferent to their own humanity.

        • Constitutionallysound

          This is propoganda, because there is no reflection of the forces that MAKE THAT UNFORGIVING ENVIRONMENT. Nothing tough about being an ignorant , non reasoning religious nut bud, not for the iraq, so why would it be for the American? We invaded a country. Seriously the US is filled with illiterates and fed lies to encourage somehow defense is somehow best served invading and attacking- sure in GWBushes dreams. What creates this environments is a blind eye I can’t turn, because I have hope of actually ending war, not BEING A pART OF IT, as the soldier is FORCED and setup without explaination and without causal merit. When you don’t ask questions and just follow orders and the ‘percieved threat’, are you the Iraqi or the American soldier? Dick army explained perfectly well how we didn’t have purpose being in Iraq, the 6 trillion on credit should be a hint as to what the war was about, what every war is about, greed.

          • Margaret

            I don’t understand why you see this film as propaganda. Nothing about this movie feels like cheerleading for the Iraq war – just the opposite, in fact. We see the lives that are destroyed (on both sides), we see the unbearable brutality, we hear a soldier say, “I don’t believe in what we’re doing over here,” we hear Chris Kyle’s platitudinous patriot talk that increasingly grows more hollow (i.e. “I’m doing it for you… to protect you… because this is the greatest country in the world…”), we see him descend into some kind of obsessive madness that keeps him going back (for what feels, at times, like simple revenge)… THAT’S pro-war propaganda? Really? The movie is not about the “politics” behind the war, so there’s not much time spent on that. The movie is about the experience of one man, and, by extension, his brothers and family, and the way war affects them all. At the end of the day, the film is nothing short of a tragedy. How you think it glorifies the Iraq war – or any war – is beyond me.

          • Constitutionallysound

            Yes, Kyle was a killer. did anything stop him? Even the fact he was invading a country that posed no threat to the US? no way- and he didn’t ask questions, how seemingly american. Did he have any morals? Definitely not, just a cult indoctrinated sin delusion, similar to those he was killing, except HE INVADED THIER COUNTRY, not the other way around. Sin is cult make bleiev has nothing to do with morality fyi. it measn against god. God is both immoral and moral in the bible so its BS. dont trust cults, trust reality and facts and evidence, of which there is none tying us to INVADE iraq except GREED AND AVARICE by selfish fuqwad republicunts.

  • Kalev Hermann

    Sounds about right, a review by a guy who most likely brags about how in touch with his feeling he is. There are many men, Chris being one of them, who have spent years downrange, and no, killing people has little to no effect on them. They are haunted by visions of their brothers in arms, not the people they killed. These are called warriors, and they don’t sit behind a computer talking about emotions. Not everybody in the world is a pretentious douchebag blabbering about how there isn’t enough media portrayal of “good Iraqis”. Enjoy your next Fat-Free-Soy-Caramel-Macchiato sitting behind your Mac, reveling in your own self masturbatory progressivism.

  • Margaret

    No self-reflection? Seriously? The guy didn’t talk about his feelings a lot – but that’s entirely in keeping with his character. Have you ever been to Texas? Do you know any men like this? They do not wear ironic hats or call themselves “geeks.” Bradley Cooper’s performance was a wonder; he didn’t need to descend into psychobabble and self-recrimination to convince me that he was struggling. It was written all over his face. It’s called masculinity. Old school.

    • Frank Johnson

      Definitely not a film target at third wave feminist beta males.

    • Constitutionallysound

      No geeks in Texas? Sure just Dell computers. And Texas Instruments. Lol.Bradley Coopers portrait was on target, and rather honest, when you have no discerning bodily autonomy, the worst of the worst should be expected from you.dealing with your feelings is crucial for growth, and to avoid bouts of psychosis and to avoid wrong doing, one should always question moral integrity of choices, no matter how machosimo you think it is not to. Machosimo=Niave.

      • Margaret

        My comment was meant neither to praise nor condemn the real-life person Bradley Cooper portrayed… merely to praise Cooper’s performance. It was, indeed, on target and honest… and part of its beauty was in showing how difficult it is for men like Chris Kyle – from a certain background and culture – to “deal with their feelings.” This review suggests that Kyle was unreflective and basically untroubled by his work. What I saw on screen was a man who was deeply troubled, but had no way of talking about it… perhaps even to himself. Being a lifelong southerner, I have known men like this. They are not taught to “self-reflect” and they are not encouraged to cry. For some of them, turning outward – getting out of their heads and helping others – is more therapeutic than a thousand therapy sessions. Ultimately, that’s how Kyle dealt with his feelings. (Unfortunately, he tried to help someone who probably needed a thousand therapy sessions.) You can disapprove of this type of guy – and machismo – all day long…. but it won’t change the fact that he exists. And it won’t change the fact that Cooper nailed this performance.

        • Constitutionallysound

          Margaret forget Chris’s feelings what about the 170 people whom lives he took? Lives take priorities over feelings. Cooper did a great job of encapsulating the character no doubt, but he was terrible immoral, because he let someone else make his decisions for him. Margaret machosimo and all types of people are very much on the radar for me, I don’t dismiss them. The bone I have to pick is WHY we are in a country killing people in the first place- and for that Chris, much like you, couldn’t care less.

          • Margaret

            You don’t know me from Adam, and you have no IDEA how I feel about the Iraq war. Or any war. I’m about as close to being a pacifist as it’s possible to be, while still being a realist. This is a discussion thread following a movie review. The film critic claimed that the Chris Kyle character showed no signs of internal conflict or self-reflection. I disagreed with him. Period. I think Bradley Cooper did a great job playing a certain kind of man that I have known all my life; those men are not without internal conflict… they just show it differently. THAT was my point. You have chosen to make this thread about yourself and your personal politics. That’s fine. But I was talking about a performance. You are free to judge Chris Kyle, the man, however you please – pick all the bones you want – but I was talking about an actor.

          • Constitutionallysound

            Margaret I don’t assume To know you I responded to your sentences and made no assumptions. I recently realized I am a deonological pacifist. You aren’t as close a you can be to being an pacifist, you either are one or you are not one. There are several stances a pacifist can take. The key is to learn more – A Deontological Pacifist, is so,eoje who umderstand a duty may be called upon to resolve conflicts but that war absolutely betrays human dignity – particularly one withoit a due cause or explaination.

          • timh

            Yes you did assume dumb ass your last sentence to Margaret states and I quote Chris much like your self does not care , which mean Margaret does not care and she replied with you don’t know her so don’t assume you do….can you actually follow a conversation and stay on point. Oh that’s right you want to change the topic to bible and religion wth your Adam insult…….your still a joke

          • Constitutionallysound

            Wether u care or not its still fact DUMBFUQ IGNORANT FUQQING JOKE RETARD CULT DILDO.

          • timh

            lol i think you have turrets…..hey every thing on the internet is true to …..

          • Constitutionallysound

            Too

          • timh

            oh good now you have run out of shit talk and have do something to be a dick…..thank you but i know how to type and spell …..i just do this in passing during my day and dont make it my lifes work to be consumed by shit like this for example took me less then a min to type this and not going to proof and im out bat shit crazy lol

          • timh

            so today we are using cult dildo….cool im starting to see your patterns now , your in an asylum aren’t you….either that or your dieing of nut cancer….loser

          • Constitutionallysound

            Of course I know you, AN ACTUAL PERSON, from ‘Adam the fictional character in a cûlt threatening book.’ It’s sad to me, you don’t.

          • timh

            Hey there you are forcing your idiot beliefs and insulting someone else. So you just go around and hijack everyone’s post and change the conversation to what you want it to be ….hey every one unconstitutionally sound wants to go from talking about an actor to the bible so let’s all conform ….your a joke

          • Constitutionallysound

            Tim you don’t know me from Mohamed on the flying carpet- I mean Adam – according to Margaret(: no insult-just truth and at end of the day honesty buddy. If you get angry when people are honest perhaps you should look deeper into why that is or go get some help with that. Don’t threaten a fellow citizen. Sworn to protect? Sounds more like sworn to keep quiet.

          • timh

            I was fine until you started calling me a liar about the service to me country and about the purple i received in combat. Then i think you followed it up with calling me cunt bag. I don’t need to look no fucking where but at you. your the piece of shit that gets your medicine right one day and its sugar and smiles then the next day your an anti American…i think you need help with your bipolar. I believe in god , i believe in America, i believe in the President no matter who he is or was , if they want to sit in that seat and endure the judgmental assholes like you that are always going to find fault but don’t want do it your self, i support that commander and chief. You don’t believe in any of these things and i honestly do give a shit , and i have never made fun of you or told another person who has adapted different beliefs that they are stupid or wrong as i see you do everyone else. You have no respect for anyone else which means you have little for your self. I know who you are , your the little bitch in the corner that has never fault for anything to help another and probably to pussy to stand up for your self except for a forum where you hide behind a fake name and shoot your mouth off…..the worse mistake you’ve over looked is you don’t know me so like i said until you want to get together in person and hash some shit out, you don’t need to talk to me, its in your best interest.

  • Dan Martin

    PJs are on sale at Target this weekend, since I’m guessing Walmart is too right-wing for you.

  • The Ghost of Faffner Hall

    I honey never thought this would be the review that gets so many ridiculous replies, some even using the “You’re just jealous” argument. I’m glad I can still be surprised by moviegoers.

  • Reg Fife

    To be fair, there was SOME introspection and personal conflict in the book (read the book, haven’t seen the movie), particularly the toll Chris Kyle’s work takes on his marriage, and it sounds like the movie glosses over that, which is a bit of a shame.

    However, as much as I enjoy your work in general Eric, I’m afraid I mostly agree with the other comments here. Mr. Kyle says in his book that the LEAST of his concerns was the morality of war or the people he killed. Losing his buddies, the physical toll of the work, the effects on his family, that was what weighed on him. Again, its a shame if the movie gave that stuff the short shrift, but if you were expecting a treatise on the horrors of war, or how traumatizing it can be to kill somebody, Mr. Kyle never meant his story to be about that.

    • Kolukonu

      This movie absolutely covered everything you just mentioned you hoped it did not gloss over. We saw the intense strain it put on the marriage. You could see how the war changed Kyle by how he acted when he was home. It’s a shame some people are so blinded by their own personal beliefs that they can’t let that go for a couple hours to watch a movie.

      • Constitutionallysound

        Maybe Kyle’s ability to focus and equanimity under pressure could have been used for something positive- like art or math or science or architecture as apose to being something so negative-being a worlds class murderer.

        • Kolukonu

          Maybe he could have gone and done something other than serve his country, you are absolutely correct. However that is not what he chose to do, and literally has nothing to do with the production of this film.

          • Constitutionallysound

            Serving his country? Which is another way of saying serving corporate interest, not public safety and Homefront in the case of Iraq under a microscope.

          • Kolukonu

            You clearly are not someone who has encountered war or has a loved one that went off to war. Do you really think a soldier would go over to a foreign country and put their lives on the line for a business need? Hell no. You are incredibly naive if you think that is the case. A soldier literally has no control over what wars the country may be involved in. And believe it or not, but outside of your conspiracy theory bubble, there is evil in this world that wants to see the US burn. Let me guess… Next you’re going to say 9/11 was an inside job, and we weren’t actually attacked.

          • Constitutionallysound

            Here’s a pop quiz for you, did we
            A) INVADE a country?
            or
            B) DEFEND our country?

            I used capital letters for the key word for you(: should be an easy one…
            And I am a pacifist and on the money, hence why you don’t have a reason to think we needed to invade iraq, 9/11 was Saudi arabians not Iraqis.

          • Constitutionallysound

            Btw both my grandparents served in WW2 for USA marines and navy. Shows how baseless and undeveloped your reasoning skills are, can’t you focus on the CRUCIBLE CAUSE of all of this bloodshed? If you’re brave enough to be honest, there isn’t one from the soldiers point of view, only from the war profiteer, which is not the USA people, we are the losers of about 6trillion dollars on credit loan to China.
            ‘ A soldier has no control over the country he/she will be placed in ‘- exactly my point. He/she relinquished that control for someone else to decide- no reason for Kyle or thousands of infantry to invaded Iraq and start a war buddy, not one. Fact of VP being most profiting ale person in war, might tip a hat or two, I don’t know if you’re not a complete docile dope.

          • Constitutionallysound

            Kolu go grab a big map and tell me how iraq is Saudi arabia. We were attacked by Saudi Arabians, not Iraqis….hello?! Anyone home? Right, for a second there I forgot that cold hard facts DONT phase republicans, in their quest for moral high ground to kîll for corporate and personal profit while bankrupting even their own countrymen while the oilman languish to the bank.

          • timh

            Constitutionally sound, why don’t you go over there and live then. It sounds like you are very unhappy here and I’ll even pay for it with army sniper blood money. Chris did what he did so weak not so strong unhappy people like you wouldn’t have to, unlike the 6 year old arabics that you speak of that are forced to fight. But you wouldn’t know that cause you sit so high in your judgement chair you just know what the media tells you , the same place i guess you learn all these big words that make you feel magnanimous (that’s lofty or king like). Show some respect for others who sacrifice way more then your verbal deification and the time it takes you to spill it. Every one has an opinion and we all can’t be as cool as you but you can solve all conflicts with sugar and kisses . Oh and there’s always the throw back if you disagree with everyone as usual , if you don’t have nothing good to say , use a double tap…lol cheers

          • Constitutionallysound

            You are mistaken. I’m very happy to be an American and belong here more than a propoganda hailed hero traveling serial killer. I’m proud to be living in a country where my human rights are to be protected and observed; what I don’t like about this country right now, is how that is entirely not happening. The U.S. ‘defense srategy’ is entirely ‘offense- not defensive’ illiterate hothead. Also, bothered with how religious cûlts brainwash dogma to people until they’re incapable of reasoning fo forming logic or understandng science seem to be a root cause of a lot of hysteria and violence from Iraq to israe- again on both sides of the fence.
            Under the constitution, for which many Americans have perished defending honorably, iraq and Vietnam and other horseshît are a black stain on and tarnished reputable and morally our credibility. the Bill of rights says in the first amendment right that this cûlt bs shouldnt be on currency but since Nixon and Eisenhower has been blatant ever since UMCONSTITUTIONALLY. I don’t condone everything my country does for me just because they are mys ou try. They are just people – many just following or orders- ok who’s making these orders and why? Very honorable and necessary question to ask yourself before picking up a rifle. I personally can’t stand how many of our inalienable rights and nations sexurity have been ignored for ulterior unjustified and unexplained reasons – I am happy to live in this country was founded to escape these cûlt psychotic orthodoxies- I’m disappointed so many want to return to being ruled over and told what to do without question-(indocteination) I can’t think of a more for formidable weakness to have.

          • timh

            Wow your so happy you spend your days telling 14 different people there wrong on a form you’ve completely hi jack for your personal vendetta and song references . Some don’t live through songs, well adults don’t they are just entertainment , but I hope you have a good day I’m sure you have a lot of more people and forums to disagree with and go way off base of the conversation …..keep it easy cheesy. Oh and i bet you wouldn’t say half of this to a sniper in person….lol. And US strategy was defense from 9/11 loser like kolukonu said but I know you disagree. If you reply to this try to stay on point. Cheer up you have freedom from all this useless war.

          • Constitutionallysound

            Tim, accuracy is not your strong suit, nor is honesty, or listening. So when I bring up KNOWN FACTS on here it’s a personal vendetta but when you are typing, Iraqi boys are ‘happy and strong to be killing’. I hate how illiterate illogical Irrational umreasoned and dèlûsîônal my countrymen ha become like Timh. Tim, accuracy matters, and attacking Iraq had zèro to do with 9/11, why would you think otherwise other than IGNORANCE and blatant STUPIDITY? the U.S. was not attacked by a singke Iraqi on 9/11 captain stupid- but what was in Iraq is oil and muslims, that was enough for GWBush and his cronies.

          • timh

            I understand what you are saying and i do put less into words and more into actions. I do otherwise have respect for other people and don’t gauge people based on there literary skills or beliefs. That what separates us from the others we can disagree and coexist as you and I are doing, I respect you enough not to call you stupid belittle you as you did in your last post cause I don’t know who you are that simple. This could continue forever but I have other things to do as I’m sure you do. You also don’t know me and I could go through resume of my lifetime accomplishments in the shooting world but I depart our conversation with this . After receiving a Purple Heart and returning home I now train tactile federal and law enforcement snipers so they are better equipped to safe guard good people that are put in bad situations. I hope the day never comes that find your self in ones of these terrible situations that your words will not get you out of but if you do , make sure to thank them, cause at the end of the day the only way to stop a bad person with a gun, is a good person with a gun.

          • Constitutionallysound

            Tim im not calling you stupid, im calling the idea of going to war stûpid. there are no good guys and bad guys, just NRA repeated selling points told to the U.S. After a dozen or so children were executed in a primary school. wayne Lapierre said, exactly what you just stated there, ‘only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.” What is savage is your lack of education, it’s not your fault you can’t think and have to repeat verbatim a profiteering warlords words, it’s just pathetic and obvious how you are a prop holstered up by your own stupidity and irrational baseless fears.

          • Jessica A. Crenwelge

            So we should have just allowed genocide to occur? We went to the Middle East in Desert Storm because their was a guy killing people for no reason….Constitutionsallysound are you wearing an aluminium hat? You know the government reads your thoughts using computers right?

          • Constitutionallysound

            Sadam Hussien was captured before the Iraq war. Desert storm was a presidential, past oilman making more oil in the process. And Iraq wasn’t desert storm- different George Bush- but Ima deontological passifist as its the only position that does lead me with a glaring cognitive dissonance as you express. I’m not crazy for being reasonable and right Jessica.

          • timh

            It’s no use that one lives in a different world where the sky is purple and everything is made of kisses and rainbows

          • Constitutionallysound

            I live on earth and in America, where there hasn’t been a threat since GWBush was in office, and he was the threat. Did OIL BUSINESS with OSAMA BIN LADEN. The BUSHES and OSAMA were business partners before the Iraq war. Fyi.

          • timh

            So you didn’t see the trade towers fall. Your an idiot

          • Constitutionallysound

            I did see the trade towers fall- yet 9/11 was started when CHENEY, BUSH and CONDI all started saying we were under threat of weapons of mass destruction. Korea was testing nuclear warheads and we went to Iraq, who doesnt even have a navy or airfrce that can sneeze at us. Don’t be a jingoist, reason stupidfuqqer!

          • timh

            boy when you get on a word you use the shit out it ……what was the word for the day in retard land jingoist…and stop using the c word there are real ladys on this post not just pussys like you

          • Constitutionallysound

            If You don’t know what the word means, then it’s time to learn it.

          • timh

            yes dumb bitch we all know how to google ….some of us didn’t get computers for Christmas, some of us have had them since before you got your idiotic beliefs

          • timh

            Wow, I wish I could meet you in person

          • Constitutionallysound

            Because you have no point to make? Of course. Maybe it’s to threaten for calling your morally bankrupt cause on its head. Failing to see a positive in you wanting to ‘meet me’. Pick up a dictionary and make a point if have one, but put down the gun, “Guns are for Pussies”

          • timh

            No I just have different beliefs, and your to small of a person to understand that or to accept it, thanks but I keep my guns and your right there is nothing positive about me meeting you but i bet you would say things differently with out the insults, this is where you hide so you can talk big …pussy

          • Constitutionallysound

            You don’t have a belief you have a dekusion, your bekief lacks reasoning.

          • timh

            Yes the right to bare arms is a belief dumb bitch , it’s number 2 on the paper you pulled you hippo critical name from , and psycho like you are the reason , but it’s not your belief so it’s wrong small minded person.

          • timh

            And my hostility is warranted by the insults , name calling and constant disrespect you have shown in every post you have sent me. You are bat shit crazy if you think I believe you talk to people in person like this you only do it here hero

          • Constitutionallysound

            I am a hero. Thanks. Not crazy one bit, you can’t point to a singke thing I stated so you ATTACK me and say im being disresepctful. You sir are just a dipshît

          • timh

            I’m a dipshit with a Purple Heart that more people seem to agree with then you .

          • Constitutionallysound

            No you’re not, UR a liar. And reasonless dekusional cûnt bag. Iraq posed ZĖRØ threats to US. ZĖRØ. You attacked for pill,i wouldnt advertise that as beg brave bud.

          • timh

            i actually do and your not going to get far calling vets liars…. watch and see

          • timh

            2 amendment is a fact right….exactly

          • Constitutionallysound

            It isn’t a fact, it’s a human right written in our countries history observed and understood and ratified even to fit todays complex world.
            You know,
            So is first amendment and I’ll get specific- the free exercise clause in the first amendement that states: ”
            “Government shall make no law respecting any organization of religion or prohibit the free exercise thereof.” – yèt on our courtrooms, our currency(legal tender) and pledge a SINGLE DIETY is mentioned aka MONOTHEISM – you can have your musket if I can have my freedom from your stupidity. One is a human right based on human behavior, the other on a musket as the most powerful weapon of its day. I’m for right to bear arms, the question in THIS day is – what good does it do to have 30round per second rifles in people’s homes and communities, or other arms, whomever is drawing that line is most concerned with public safety- and end times- doesn’t matter Government has more means if it wanted. But our government if you haven’t forgoten is of the people, and for the people, all of us. We make up our government we are both a democracy which I am a proponent of and a capitalists. When capitalism infringes on democracy, we the people need to be aware, and responsibly reactive. That’s why I don’t understand how anyone can be republican when they don’t hold majority on any subjects- none in fact. I don’t mean to divide, all I want is for people to be honest with themselves and not follow contractually or otherwise immoral leads.

          • timh

            Blah blah blah the definition of a fact is “A fact is something that has really occurred or is actually the case. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability, that is, whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience.” So yes the right to bare arms is the 2amendment that is fact ….you ask me to get my facts right …….check

          • Constitutionallysound

            Human rights arent facts. They are beliefs. Facts are the piece paper it’s written on: The Bill of Rights, and im telling you yes, The Bill of Rights is a fact, so is you and a cûlt of delusionals ignoring the oart of the first I pointed out.

          • timh

            Now wait a minute I said it was my belief that I have the right to bare arms and it says so in the on the 2 amendment of your name and you replied that it’s not a belief or fact it’s a human right . So now you say a human right is a belief ? Read the definition of delusional you will see it is what you just did….keep your bull shit straight . If I say white you say black , I say up you say down , It is a fact that I have the right to bare arms , it is a fact that I have guns , that is not just a something stated on paper it’s a fact ……wrong again

          • Constitutionallysound

            Tim, your stupidity know no bounds.

          • timh

            Just stating facts like you told me to loser

          • Constitutionallysound

            Fact is Iraq and 9/11 were not CAUSALLY RELATED- are you a jingoist and just don’t care that Iraq wasnt involved in 9/11? Seriously bud- learn how to reason, you have zero facts to support your psychotic republican propoganda claim dumbfuq mcgee. Iraq war, 9/11, and “No child left behind” were all major failures by your repugnant criminal former president.

          • timh

            iraq harbored and financially funded the terrorist that were resposible for it , or are your sources better then the pentagon…..let me guess hardball……your a joke

          • Constitutionallysound

            No they didn’t, provide a credible article.

          • timh

            bitch you provide one saying they didnt ….your saying the taliban wasnt in iraq now …lol your the dumbest person i have ever encountered , please tell me you cant have kids

          • timh

            where are your facts you dumb fuck , your regurgitating shit the news says as your facts ….and who ever up voted that post is dumber then you

          • timh

            I can do this all day matter fact I’m just going to follow all your post all day hi jack them like you do others and continue to piss you off and make you reply with your short stories wasting your time that you’ll never get back …ha

          • Constitutionallysound

            Im not hijacking you, im exacting is all.

          • timh

            Based on your beliefs and interpretation ….

          • Constitutionallysound

            Based on facts, truths and dèfìnìtions.

          • timh

            Tweeked ….. Hey can I change your name to bat shit crazy …..I think that would be funny as hell , then when people read your post they won’t get so mad at your crazy ass replys….think about it

          • Constitutionallysound

            Timh So are you a proud jingoist?

          • timh

            oh the same word …..is its not a new day yet wtf

          • timh

            so where did that say that in my reply ….is that reason or fact you preach or the same shit that falls out of your mouth ….i told you we can meet in person and until we do do post shit

          • Constitutionallysound

            Nothing batshit about the fact 9/11 and iraq war had NOTHING TO DO WITH EACHOTHER. 9/11 was carried out by mostly saudi arabians, so- despite your geographic ignornace, thats not IRAQ YOU DUMKUNT!

          • timh

            lol your a reasoning master with your potty mouth ….. i think some one has lost there political composer

          • Constitutionallysound

            You either lost your reasoning skills or you never had any to begin with.

          • timh

            lol well regardless your definition of reason is different then others , heres reason for you , show me one post on this or any forum where you didnt disagree or change the subject to your own agenda such as religion…lol…..your a fucking loser who just likes to argue ,,,,im cool with it why cant you be

          • timh

            lol I have actually been there while you where safe talking shit behind your computer, and there are ladies on this forum so you can lose the c word pussy

          • Constitutionallysound

            Oh and don’t forget reasoning, rational thought, logic, common sense, and honesty.

          • timh

            But if your bat shit crazy all those are tweeked a little , in your case a lot ….

          • Constitutionallysound

            timh Cheney said we went to war because IRAQ was holding weapons of mass destruction- where did those go since they were never found?

          • timh

            i dont know, we have wmd’s. Can you accuratly pin point one on you own soil?….tell me where one nuclear silo in the us is……and wait at your house for the agents in 5…4..3…2…1.

          • Constitutionallysound

            Colorado at norad.

          • timh

            lol you have seen them…..not like you to believe something on blind faith…..loser

          • Constitutionallysound

            Tim you have zero reasons to think Iraq and 9/11 were related in any causal way, you’re just a jingoist repubicunt dildo, who can’t count or reason, form logic, understand science, honesty or rational skeptcism. YOU ARE A DUMB BITCH CULT PUPPET. learn to reason dipshit.

          • timh

            lol …and your a joke….

          • Constitutionallysound

            You’re

          • timh

            no your a joke still

          • timh

            stop talking about reason because you are the most unreasonable person to spew shit in the history of the web.

          • Constitutionallysound

            Im batshit for asking your To give reasons for your pithy war? UR delirious.

          • Constitutionallysound

            2nd amendment has been ratified about 49 times. So if it’s a fact, its a moving one. Progress is coming. No one is taking away your gun – the dude who said that ALEX JONES is a clinical psycho.

          • timh

            Still got my gun punk ass ….hasn’t moved much

          • Constitutionallysound

            2nd amendment isn’t being ignored stupid, first amendment is DÎPSHÎT.

          • timh

            Hey There’s my disrespectful little ass hole, nope first amendment is alive and well….case and point your still allowed on this forum to spew you crazy shit talk

          • Constitutionallysound

            No first amendments so eing violated. PARTICULARLY THE FREE EXERCISE CLAUSE OF THE FIRST AENDMET. CAN U NOT READ CÛNT?! Seriously. UR second amendment fetish is rooted in ignorance and having an unusually small pecker and self confidence.

          • timh

            now your talking about dicks , awesome why do you come over and ill slap you in the forehead with it …..your a joke

          • timh

            lol your a joke

          • Constitutionallysound

            Beliefs seperate us it is doubt which unites us.
            What seperates us too is DNA and fingerprints. Your inability to reason understand basic lôgic, human rights and lack of being able to find or sift through to root causes is another fine difference between us. Tim I have respect for soldiers, and for you, but not for the causes of war and invasion these days, your ADD aside, if you could focus, you’d find its unjust, unwarranted and withoit reason. Perhaps you could learn the difference between a war, and a tactical strike. War is big business, it should be questioned inexhaustibly.

          • Constitutionallysound

            “Chris did what he did so weak not so strong unhappy people like you wouldn’t have to, unlike the 6 year old arabics that you speak of that are forced to fight.” – A)I’m plenty happy, just in a very democratic way outraged how undemocratic our country has seem under the last three or four republican helms,,, Tim heres a brain cherry pick you missed
            : so the six year olds, are forced but chris is not?

          • Jessica A. Crenwelge

            Amen and I think you hit the nail on the head TimH!

          • Constitutionallysound

            Jessica learn a word today, for the sake of a soldier. This accurately describes my ATTITUDE: http://i.word.com/idictionary/pacifism

          • Constitutionallysound

            Timh- YOU ARE A JINGOIST TO A T. I am very happy in America, you are happy being a jingoist? Timh no sacrifice was made on my behalf bud, you dont invade another country kill 100,000+ civilians and say YOURE WELCOME- no Im embarrassed by my countries(republican) military strategies. Reminds me of WILL FERRELS STAND UP: “YOURE WELCOME AMERICA” where he impresonates and exposes George W Bush for the selfish piece of shit cunt he is. You’re IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY IS fuqqing disgraceful. I live in America where we have rights, you are too illiterate and dumb to understand that.
            Do you not realize that the iraq war was the most costly war in U.S history and the longest war in U.S history? HOW FUQQING DUMB ARE PEOPLE? Timh why dont you go overthere and shoot a kid in the face without cause, seems to be ur thing.

          • timh

            dumb ass . i have already told you i have a purple heart and silver star from being over there as a army sniper . i have left these issues for more then a week now and you are replying to a 3 week old post for the 3rd time just to stir up shit ,let it go because i being bigger then you and i understand that there are always going to be little people that disagree with the majorities and that we have to protect you as well , even if from yourself. Now i use my skills in the private sector of this great country so please move on with your political agendas and verbal dedication that im just over and tired of listening to before i come talk to you in person, and that’s not a threat, its a bet…..thank you and move on little robot

          • Constitutionallysound

            Tim hyou have a dekusion and PTSD. No reasons for INVADING AND ATTACKING. Zero tie between 9/11 and iraq- the only connection you can make is in UR guilty CÛŁT deluded nonreasoning irrational mind, in error and dishonestly.

          • timh

            you have

          • timh

            i have been over there dumb bitch …..thats a funny movie it doesn’t remind you of a song to like you normally reference….come on unconstitutionally unsound please quote us a song ….you fucking loser

          • timh

            That’s awesome you just quote a German on the absences of war. Kinda of like my butcher the vegetarian, oxymoron right . Well I have an American quote that suits you by mark twain “It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.”

          • Constitutionallysound

            So because of his nationalism dismiss the validity of wht he states and all the facts i pointed Out? Boy, you must like to where lipstick.

          • timh

            Your to funny

          • Constitutionallysound

            Im accurate. Fyi, you are is you’re and when speaking of something also, we say too, not to. Go back to school.

          • Constitutionallysound

            How awkward for your cause and your comment; You do realize hitler made a propoganda video about a sniper once too right? What is stupid is implying Einstien was a butcher in your ad hominem.

          • Margaret

            I’m trying to think about it from an Iraqi six-year-old’s point of view… and all that comes to mind is the horrific image of a little boy having his head drilled into while his father is slaughtered. By Iraqi adults.

            Speaking of Voltaire’s line… Who, exactly, are we “not allowed to criticize” these days? The American government certainly isn’t off-limits. Republicans, Democrats… all our leaders are constantly criticized. So are our corporations… constantly. I can think of a few groups who are off-limits . . . a few groups who can’t be criticized unless one fancies being shunned by polite society, fired from one’s job… or blown up.

          • Constitutionallysound

            Yes Margaret in the movie. In REALITY there are plenty more Iraqi Boys whos country we invaded and killed because they are as delûded as our soldiers, caught up in sin and holy horseshît as appose to moral or having justification or reasons for actions and killings and war in Iraq. In the movie they killed the kids dad, like how christians used to burn women at them stake for being honest or questioning.
            The things so none of those you mentioned recieved enoigh criticism because WE WERE AT WAR FOR TEN YEARS!

            infact the total number of citizens murdered kîlled during the Iraq war ten years is disgusting: 122,438 civilian deaths.

            122,438 civilian deaths…):

            Margaret who knows maybe in that 120k there was another storyline other than the tough cowboy one Eastwood put together artificially. Do you know how to count? You obviously don’t know how to reason, just likes he Iraqi insurgence and just like chris and majority ofUS soldiers, who aren’t allowed to. The U.S., for which these men are responsible for protecting, is being made an enemy when we infiltrate another country under false greet ses and kill a hundred thousand civilians in the process and leave the country in 30 shades worse than we found it.

          • Margaret

            Okay, calm down. You’re ranting now. I understand your fury about the Iraq war; many of us share it. But I don’t understand why you think Eastwood is celebrating the war in this movie. He’s not. In fact, many are calling it an “anti-war movie.” It’s the story of American tragedy. Yes, Chris Kyle was a “cowboy” type… and he killed a lot of people. And even HE was conflicted about it. The movie makes that MORE than clear. (The fact that he doesn’t “say” he was means nothing.) It’s up to you, as the viewer, to make your own moral judgment about what he did. There is obviously a lot of disagreement about that. Not everybody sees in black and white like you seem to.

          • Constitutionallysound

            I’m not ranting I’m quoting MLK on MLK day:
            “PEACE IS NOT JUST SOME DISTANT GOAL THAT WE SEEK, BUT A MEANS BY WHICH WE ARRIVE AT THAT GOAL.”
            “DARKNESS CAN NOT DRIVE OUT DARKNESS, ONLY LIGHT CAN DO THAT. HATE CAN NOT DRIVE OUT HATE, ONLY LOVE CAN DO THAT.”
            Martin Lither King Jr.

          • Constitutionallysound

            I’m not ranting I’m quoting MLK on MLK day:
            “PEACE IS NOT JUST SOME DISTANT GOAL THAT WE SEEK, BUT A MEANS BY WHICH WE ARRIVE AT THAT GOAL.”
            “DARKNESS CAN NOT DRIVE OUT DARKNESS, ONLY LIGHT CAN DO THAT. HATE CAN NOT DRIVE OUT HATE, ONLY LOVE CAN DO THAT.”
            Martin Luther King Jr.
            I don’t see anything in black and white. I see facts you ignore like 122,435 valuable innocent lives lost to arrogance and deusional ignirance by you and Chris. You are IDENTICLE to Chris, without morals- just a hand saying, calm down- which is why this is an after the fact reflection. Again to have morals, one has to umderstand what they are dedinitively, niether you, chris or a single religious person has the slightest idea what they are, BECUASE you’re so stupid, you think it’s so,ething to decide on after THE FACT. THE FACTS YOU STILL IGNORE.

          • southerninsanity

            You need to get over yourself.

          • Constitutionallysound

            YOU NEED TO LEARN REASONING SKILLS.

          • southerninsanity

            You don’t know the meaning of the word “reasoning.” The fact that you’re responding to comments 11 days later shows it.

          • Constitutionallysound

            Reapondng to 11 comments is somehow not reasonable? I have reeasons, shit I can even name them, can you is the pt? NO FUQWAD UR JUST A JINGOIST DOOSH DUMBFUQ.

          • Constitutionallysound

            So no reasons to invade iraq then? Thought not.

          • Guest

            The films message however seemed to border around the notion, he was good at his job, right? Okee dokee then.

        • southerninsanity

          So now it’s the holier-than-thou group like yourself, Constitutionallysound,” who determine how people should spend their lives?

          • Constitutionallysound

            No, I just find it amazing you think kîlling was his only optîon. Don’t you? Your name is fitting.

          • southerninsanity

            I think it’s disgusting that you insult the man for his career choice. Truth be told, you don’t know what he felt was his “only option.”

          • Constitutionallysound

            I’m not insulting anyone, southern insane, U just assume BECUASE you have no readoning skills that I do. II don’t insult a man for his career choice. Career DOESNT make the man. He had talents is what I was saying, probably better served doing something peaceful and constructive. Anyone can be destructive, being constructive takes a character trait I think Chris perhaps also had- I don’t know, I didn’t know him and DONT make assumptions about him, just the CAUSES of people like Chris needing to be deployed by the thousands to a country that serves no threat to the U.S. people, you know, the people Chris is SUPPOSEDLY to be protecting. How is he protecting us? By passively being a nail in a coffin for the opposition to neocolonialism in a country that agian POSED NO THREAT to us? Hmm. Get your priorities straight and dyslexia fixed southern, i insult no one- I insult WAR and you should too, as you have no readons not to, just irrational umreasoned fears.

          • Constitutionallysound

            Well you snowball in the part about his Dad making him a great shöoter and hunter and disciplined and it seems his destiny and -9/11 everyone in this country was speachless be had a resounding ring they captured in the movie which I understand- the import thing is to focus that negativity and dissect it in a logical way not to fall victim to storyboard cinema. I suggest reading another similar but more accurate account perhaps by Jon Krakauer called “we’re men win glory”- it’s interesting take on this war we are still dissecting today and will continue to in the future-hopefully free of threat.

          • Constitutionallysound

            We live in a egalitarian state, there is none holier than the next. That seems in a way to be the main point DOESNT it. I am not holy, im reasonable and honest is all.

          • southerninsanity

            Your comments show the contrary. You’re definitely one of those who sees themselves as better than the rest of us. Thankfully, it’s not your right to tell the rest of us what is right or wrong.

          • Constitutionallysound

            No we are all equal, I am no better than anyone.(: even you. “All men are created equal, endowed with the same inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” I didn’t name myself constitutionally sound for nothing. What? Upset/Insane because the south DIDNT win the civil war? Get over it. Keep your phoney reinactments to urself. I’m a gladiator, youre a confederate wannabe loser.

        • RevengeofZodLovesMaude

          you don’t murder savages… any country that forces its women and children into the war and strapping them with bombs/grenades is a country full of savages. duh

          • Constitutionallysound

            The US is not free from your savage delusional definition now are they? DEVELOP A INTELLECT STUPID.

    • Constitutionallysound

      How do people expect to be moral when they are ignorant of morals? Sounds like a lost delûded person.

      • ChistosD

        Hi all,

        I thought I’d join the conversation as I saw the movie last night so my thoughts on the movie are still somewhat fresh in my mind.

        I should also preface what I am about to say by dislosing that I am neither military or ex-military nor am I an American. So my opinions are not shaped by either influence. However, I will say state that I have previously lived for quite some time with a former sniper who served a 9 month tour of Basra with the British Royal Marines. Furthermore, as an Australian, the history of our involvement in Iraq is just as long as America’s.

        I found American Sniper to be disappointing on many levels, not least of which was the blatantly fake baby. Firstly, I know first hand that many serving and former servicemen don’t get caught up in many of moral questions associated with why nation-states go to war. As was poorly demonstrated in this film, often a soldier only needs to care for the man beside him for his life may depend on that relationship. This film did very little to display in a meaninful way the esprit de corps shapes and influences the warrior code and mindset. I feel that this film should have explored this with far more depth and intelligence.

        Alternatively, the film could have delved deeply into the struggles that Kyle faced at home during those periods between and after his multiple deployments. Instead it got lost in action set pieces and relegated the character of his wife to a succession of clichéd comments. It missed a great opportunity to properly explore the modern warrior’s mind in a thoughtful and nuanced way.

        I think Constitionallysound needs to take a deep breath and put down the Chomsky. War is perhaps one of the most significant drivers and shapers of human society since homo sapiens and neanderthals first hurled a rock at each other. This was not a film exploring our nature as a species which thrives on power, strength and dominance. This was a film about what inspires, motivates and effects the mindset of the modern soldier. If you miss this point you run the risk of getting stuck in righteous indignation and sounding like a grammatically-starved crazy person.

        • Margaret

          Wonderful comment, ChistosD. I liked the movie more than you did – I thought Cooper’s performance was dead on and poignant, and I “felt” the esprit de corps deeply – but like you, I’d like to have seen the marital conflict explored more thoroughly and the wife’s character fleshed out. You are, of course, correct that Constitutionallysound needs to “take a deep breath” and stop making this all about his personal politics. He’s beginning to sound a bit… unsound. 😉 Anyway, thanks for your insightful comment.

        • Constitutionallysound

          What inspires, motivates, and effects the mindset of the modern soldier? Religion and Not asking questions, and Not reasoning. That is weakness.

          • ChistosD

            You’re oversimplifying a vastly complex issue and demonstrating a significant ignorance of the modern soldier.
            Constitutionallysound, may I ask what your vocation is? Within the scope of that vocation, are you an employee of a employer has certain expected standards and behaviours that you are required to adhere to? Soldiering is a unique and often times very misunderstood vocation. The reasons why men (as it is overwhelmingly male-centric) enlist in the armed forces and become infantrymen or special forces or sailors or airmen is as varied as any other vocation. However, once enlisted, the demands that are placed upon them are unique and consequently a soldier often puts aside the larger moral questions about why wars are fought in order to focus on the how wars are fought.

            If you and I have the luxury of discussing the moral ambiguities of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, that is great. Our lives and the lives of those around us don’t depend on taking those questions out of the equation of our everyday existence and actions.

            Which is not to say that the modern soldier doesn’t ask questions. They are simply more aware of the consequences of asking those questions in the wrong context.

          • Constitutionallysound

            Well in America you can ask this question in any context and expect an answer- why are we At war?
            uS people didn’t get an answer. Soldiers may or may not have gotten a straight answer. Reasoning people saw the wolves in sheeps clothing. History doesnt lie.

          • ChistosD

            In civilian America you can certainly ask the question. Within the armed services, probably not. Those who have joined the armed services understand that there are some rights which they have surrendered somewhat. It’s how all militaries function. They are an arm of the State, with a purpose which, whether your pacifism agrees with or not, does not allow for the individual soldier to openly question the moralities of their involvement in any given conflict. Which isn’t to say that as individuals capable of considered opinion, they do not have those questions. However, they understand their role in the mechanics of society and the branch of society that they represent.

            American Sniper, politics aside, attempts to address the motivations and effects of conflict on an individual soldier. The success with which the film accomplishes this is questionable. What this film isn’t is a treatise on American neo-colonialism, and no amount of bluster or vitriol which you bring to this discussion will change that fact.

          • Constitutionallysound

            So Neo colonialism is what we call it? No treaty needed just glad to finally hear what our country is uo to. How does one Neo colonialize? And why? And why cost (6trillion/300million) each US person 75k over ten years to do so? Thought we were at war with terror! Lol. I am all for a movie of any kind showing anything, and the movie seemed homest to the perspective of a guy such as Chris. Great. Well chris was a real guy, I may have met him when I lived in Texas, who knows. The fact is I have no issue with Chris, ever, he has taken an oath to do what his country needs. I get it. But when did neocolonialism become a 6trillion dollar investment or even an American persons priority? Being a soldier is not who would ask you’re right, I wouldn’t even expect them to. On the other side of the barrel I have asked questions BECUASE the next Chris shouldn’t have to participate in a neocolonialism without the interest of the U.S. people. Wouldnt you agree? i am all for peace, and there are conflicts throughout the world that need taming I understand that this as well. I just think educated and Reasoning societies do better than those that don’t. And I’m afraid these days on a mass escalating scale the U.S. is niether.

          • ChistosD

            Colonialism was a massively expensive exercise when it was undertaken by the Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese and British over the past 300-400 years. In this day and age, due you expect the cost of colonialism to be any less significant?

            But I digress, and so have you, from the overall objective of this film which is to examine the motivators of an individual soldier and the consequence of conflict on his personal and home lives. I will debate no further with you aspects of American foreign policy which have no bearing on this film or this discussion. This is clearly not the forum to have that debate. Instead, keep your responses focused on this film.

            Did you enjoy the film? From the anger present in your opening tirade, I get the impression that you took from this film a message that I do not believe that the screenwriters or director were intending to portray. I think that the script was lazy and Eastwood as a director spent far more on action sequences and unbelievability (phonecalls home during firefights???) than he did on character development and exposition. Large chunks of the film were unnecessary and ill-considered. The editing was poorly executed and left gaping holes in the story. This was to be a narrative on a soldiers struggles, not with war itself, but the toll of that war on his psyche and his family. To that end I think that the film missed the mark.

        • Constitutionallysound

          Chris didn’t know what morals where, so how can he expect to be morally driven? Chris is a victim of poor values and ideological delusion. Not me, I actually have reasons and reflect morally on my decisions. Also I don’t sign my bodily autonomy over to someone else- why would I need to?

  • Constitutionallysound

    A sniper is just like any other military person, unable to examine or question WHAT HE IS TOLD to do. When you invade another country and execute a family and a Kid picks up a weapon, do you really think you’re the good guy when you snipe him? If you were to examine why we invaded Iraq it didn’t have to do with 9/11 did it. Nope, only superficially so GWBush could begin the proceedings of starting a war as presidents have authority to do for extended 120 days, before congress even votes on it. Republicans just lampooned a pseudo-religious, definitely non-reasoned, war in a country we had virtually no threat from- if another country came into America with the same ideology, u’d shît your pants. And at that po not there would be reason for defensive war. You don’t go to another country and steal their resources and puppet their government, though that’s what America was lead to do. Anyone know about GREED and HALIBURTON Speak up. Wàr is a corporation endeavor. they even lampooned Clint Easwood who has always been a Favorite film icon and artist. people need to put down their weapons and start thinking and communicating effectively and in brotherly love, we are all so very the same, human beings-your creator is your parents for chriminey sakes, this is what happens when u lambast an education system with “NO Child Left Behind” Caca.

    • Jessica A. Crenwelge

      “Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character.”

      There is another Einstein quote and it applies to you!

      • Constitutionallysound

        When the attitude is follow authority and DONT question it, it’s not a matter of character weakness, it’s a matter of intelligence and I’m not that stupid, narrow-minded, selfish dèlûsîônal or irresponsible, I don’t know why anyone would ever want to be. Weakness, is going to war Jessica, not abstaining from it, that’s the definition of homest and moral conviction.

      • Constitutionallysound

        In honor of Martin Luther Day, a MLK quote that says it how it should be said:
        “One day we must come to see that peace is not just a mere distant goal that we seek, but that it is a means by which we arrive at that goal. We must persue peaceful ends through peaceful means.”-MLK

  • Constitutionallysound

    In movies like das boot where the movie is shot from a german sub you get a comrade die feeling with these characters throughout, almost like they ar JUST LIKE YOU basically. Keep you head above the propoganda – there is never reason for war, haven’t you you heard? WÀR! WAR! What is it good for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to YA, WAR!

  • Scott Gammons

    It is pretty easy to gather that the author didn’t read the book what Chris Kyle wrote before seeing the movie. If he had, he would understand that there was a lot in this book that could not be covered adequately in a relatively short movie. On top of that, the reviewer apparently missed the impetus that changed the focus of Chris’s life and gave him an outlet to recover his sanity once he left the war. Had he remembered that, he would understand the progression that lead to Chris’s recovery and would understand exactly how Chris arrived in a happy and well adjusted place once he left the war. Did Eastwood need to give this reviewer a montage complete with “eye of the tiger” playing in the background to literally rub the authors nose in the progression for him to understand it? Chris Kyle’s reason to go to war was to protect American lives and he did that by killing those who he thought would kill Americans (including US Soldiers). Once he was out of the war, he felt that he could no longer save Americans and felt as if he had let his country down and no longer had a purpose. When the good doctor told him that the halls of his office were filled with Americans in need of saving, Kyle took him up on the suggestion and took those men to go shooting with “the legend”. Doing so helped those people and in the process helped heal the mental wounds that Chris had been suffering as his life had been given purpose again. Being a good father and husband is a good thing, but for someone as driven as a SEAL is, it is often not enough for them. I would think lots of them need some other purpose to help them carry on and Chris found that purpose in helping the wounded vets to readjust to life back in the states.

    Plainly put, I think the author missed it because he’s not the sort of guy who snuggles up to a scoped rifle for any reason. He doesn’t understand what kind of peace something like that can bring to a troubled mind. Some men golf and others play tennis or basketball etc to clear their heads. The rest of us use a series of small controlled explosions to hurl lead projectiles downrange at extreme velocities with hopefully good accuracy to sometimes kill animals that we want to eat or eradicate or other times punch paper. In order to shoot properly and achieve accurate shot placement, one has to achieve a zen-like mental state. When hunting, seeing your quarry can be so exciting that it is very difficult to reign yourself in and calm down enough to take an accurate shot. Exercising that kind of self control and calming your mind is great meditation if you ask me. Much better than walking around in funny pants chasing a little ball.

  • carlospicyweiner

    Wow, you really give geeks a bad name. You shouldn’t review movies again, until you go someplace, get shot at by men who want to cut your mom’s head off for being educated, than come home and try telling your other geek brethren how horrible war is. Until than, you’re words mean nothing and your reviews of anything at all mean nothing..screw yourself asshole. And turn your blinker off.

    • Guest

      Carlo that environment didnt exîst until we invaded.

  • Joe in Seattle

    These comments are hilarious. Didn’t like the movie? Well, you must be a left-wing kook and a mama’s boy with a soft-spot for America’s enemies. Some people can politicize anything.

  • RevengeofZodLovesMaude

    Actually, you missed th part where Kyle flinched everytime someone called him a hero. He didn’t respond to it at all.