Cutting to the Chase: Luke Skywalker is NOT Kylo Ren

By October 22, 2015

Let’s just cut to the chase: Luke Skywalker is NOT Kylo Ren in Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens.

This is a rumor that has been gaining quite a lot of traction over the past few days, and while we here at GeekNation are more than happy to spend our time speculating about Star Wars, this one has gone too far in our humble opinions.

A lot of this stems from the fact that Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) has been, almost, completely absent from any of the trailers and promotional materials released from the film thus far. We also believe that’s his hand patting R2-D2 in the second teaser, and that’s definitely his voice over as well; but that’s about it. He’s not even on the poster!

Because of it, a lot of people have assumed this is because J.J. Abrams and Lucasfilm cannot show Luke without spoiling a major twist in the film instead of ya know, just wanting to keep as much about the film as secret as they can. While this is a somewhat understandable conclusion, we also have yet to see anything from Andy Serkis’ Supreme Leader Snoke (except for his voice), Domhnall Gleeson’s General Hux, or Max von Sydow’s still unknown character. Just because we haven’t seen Luke in any of the trailers or images, doesn’t mean he’s gone evil. It could just mean the creative team wants to save as much of his character for the film itself.

But fine, if you want to think that Luke has gone over to the Dark Side, we might not agree, but we’re not going to rain on your parade. However, this idea that Luke is actually Kylo Ren is something we cannot hear without rolling our eyes and igniting our lightsabers, ready for battle.

Let’s stop and think about why using some good ole’ fashioned logic.

darth vader helmetOne of the coolest moments in the final trailer is when Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) is speaking directly to Darth Vader’s helmet, promising to finish what he believes Vader himself started. This not only establishes Ren as a Sith-obsessed maniac, but also gives his character a strong tie to the Original Trilogy. But it also capitalizes on something a lot of people have forgotten about Return of the Jedi too…

Luke was the only one who witnessed Vader’s final redemption.

He’s one of the few major characters in the franchise to interact with Emperor Palpatine as well. Outside of that, as far as anyone else knows, Vader was the face of the Empire and was evil right up until the moment he lost his life in the burning Death Star.

Sure, Leia (Carrie Fisher) might have sensed it and maybe someone from the Endor celebration snuck away from the party long enough to witness the burning of Vader’s body, but as far as the rest of the Galaxy is concerned, Vader was bad all the way to the very end. Kylo Ren worshiping Vader would therefore, make sense.

However, if Kylo Ren IS Luke Skywalker then why wouldn’t he be worshiping a shrine of the Emperor? Luke was well-aware of the Emperor’s plan all along and would not be promising to finish what his father started because he didn’t start it. We will also not accept Luke as the “master” to Kylo Ren either. The same logic holds here – if Luke fell to the Dark Side somewhere after Jedi and before Awakens and is Master to Kylo Ren’s apprentice then he would have told Kylo Ren everything about the Emperor’s plan.

Point number two – that very sloppy/makeshift lightsaber that Kylo Ren wields (and is one of the coolest parts about his character so far for us fans) is another reason why he’s most definitely NOT Luke Skywalker. Why?

luke lightsaberBecause Luke can build a fully-functioning, clean looking lightsaber! He created his green lightsaber in the time between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi (Daddy Vader approved) so based on that reasoning, there is no way he would create another, lesser version.

This brings us to the final, and most obvious point…

We see Kylo Ren unmasked at the end of the final trailer.

kylo ren unmaskedI’m sorry, last we checked, Mark Hamill does not have long, flowing locks of black hair. You know who does? Adam Driver. J.J. learned from his mistakes in Star Trek: Into Darkness when he fake-cast Benedict Cumberbatch as a new character named John Harrison, and I don’t think having The Force Awakens’ major twist involves Luke being the real Kylo Ren (let’s not forget about what happened in Iron Man 3 people). That’s not something J.J. Abrams, Kathleen Kennedy, Lawrence Kasdan, or anyone else involved in the film would do.

So no, Luke Skywalker is not actually Kylo Ren, and to all of you posting that Dinner For Five video where Mark Hamill talks about wanting to turn Luke evil at the end of Return of the Jedi in 2005 as evidence, let’s all take a step back and think about what everyone said about Star Wars in 2005. Try not to dig up a failed idea from the past as evidence for now.

Okay, we’re going to go and watch that trailer about a million other times now, we’ll see you later.

(“Cutting to the Chase” is a new feature we’ll be running here and there at GeekNation, where we’ll use it to settle (or expand) on theories and/or discussions running rampant on the Internet).

Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens is set to hit theatres on December 18th.

Make sure to keep checking back for more updates — right here on GeekNation.

This article was co-authored by Alex Welch & Mark Reilly.

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  • Chad

    I was thinking that he’s not Kylo Ren obviously (idk why people think he’s that character), but instead, the master of Kylo Ren. As far as Star Wars actual in movie lore goes, there’s always 2 sith, no more, no less, according to Yoda. A master and an apprentice. The Emperor has been the master throughout every movie so far. Him and Vader, him and Darth Maul, him and Count Dooku. But now he’s dead, and unless he’s magically not dead after his long fall into nothing and probably outer space like Luke when he got his hand cut off. But its highly unlikely. So the question remains, who is Kylo Ren’s master, cause I doubt he’s the master, and if he is the master, then who’s the apprentice?

    • Yup. There can only be two Sith – so I’m betting it’s Andy Serkis’ Snoke character (who was the voice over in the first teaser). He’s the master and Ren is the apprentice. As for Luke, I believe he will always be good and will, by the end of Awakens, become the great Jedi Master and train new Jedi.

    • Yep, which is why I think Kylo is actually the apprentice or underling of Supreme Leader Snoke. Abrams actually hinted at that here:

    • George Harwood

      THe issue with the whole ‘always two Sith’ thing when applied to Kylo Ren…is that he isn’t a Sith (Or at least hasn’t been revealed as one yet) So the rule of two wouldn’t apply in that case anyway.

  • Matt Hooper

    The rumor isn’t that he is Kylo Ren. The rumor I heard is that he is Kylo Ren’s master–and Kylo is his apprentice. Edit: Nvrmind. Someone beat me to it.

  • Gregory Sech

    I agree with this opinion but I think the lightsaber question is flawed.
    Star Wars lore history speaks about centuries when it comes to talk about the evolution from the first form or “laser sword” to what is known as the classic single bladed lightsaber so we have to make an assumption: the “crossguard” lightsaber is a completely new kind of lightsaber, not like the double blade one used by Maul (basically two different lightsabers jointed). So Luke probably would not have been able to make a better job (he didn’t “made” his lightsaber he assembled it) at creating a new kind of lightsaber or at least this is my theory.

    • I’m not buying the lightsaber theory either. How about you @AlexWelchGN:disqus and @MarkReillyGN:disqus

  • adam

    This lightsabre is called a “forcesabre”. And can only be ignited by the force. That’s why it was button less on display at a convention not to long ago.

  • Nathan Noah

    JJ likes to use Anagrams in his TV Shows what if KY is sKYwalker and LO is soLO . Is he trying to hint that Kylo Ren is indeed the son of Leia and Han? I think if this theory is correct would it be safe to assume that Luke would have trained Kylo in the Light Arts. I also think that Kylo goes Dark Side when Luke lies to Kylo about how his Grandfather had died? He then seeks out out a new master and forms the Knights of Ren.

  • phnxgrl

    Who is Kylo Ren? Well I believe he is a force user trained by Dark force wielders into a weapon for Dark purposes. Now is he an apprentice of a Sith Lord? No I believe that the Sith are all dead. However, we get a clue in REBEL’s TV Show that there are Red Blades around. People who are force sensitive but Not true Sith or Jedi. They do have some mastery of the darkside but not enough for them to be called Sith. I believe these Dark force users become the Knights of Ren after the Emperor and Darth Vader die. Remember Kylo says he is immune to the light. I believe that the world where the Dark Force is strongest is where the Dark force users congregated after the Empire collapsed. Only now have these Dark Force Users have return to the Galaxy.

  • rambleman

    I’ve seen a leaked trailer , in the trailer luke is in a cave fixing his lightsaber with what looks like a screwdriver ha , he looks like obi one ,not kylo ren .

  • JesterF13

    Not saying you’re wrong about Luke not being Kylo, but in all your knowledge that you seem to want to share, you forgot that Luke is the only one who’d likely know where to get Darth Vader’s burnt helmet, being as he’s the one who burned the body. Also, the line about finishing what he started could be a line from another scene just put over that scene for use during trailer, but also could be referencing the fall of the empire, which also in a way was put into full force by Darth Vader when he turned on the emperor.

    • RandyLee

      You have one major problem with that fact is that Luke was in a heavily populated area along with others nearby the celebration site of the Battle of Ender which makes it highly logical that the body could be found by other people. To even further prove you wrong is the fact that The Empire did not fall; hence why the existence of first order troopers exist in the movie, they are basically a continuation of the Empire, there was also a game released on IOS explaining the origin of the First Order and basically they are The Former Galactic Empire as seen in The Original Trilogy, the only thing is that the executives of The Empire took control, it also does not make sense that Kylo Ren, an agent of The Empire wants to finish what Vader started by taking down the Empire yet still work for it.

  • Willbo99

    Kylo ren was born the year of the battle of endor. He was a native to endor. Maybe his parents were on the Death Star and when that happened and he realized Vader was their fearless evil leader. He decided to learn/train in the force to become more like Vader

  • jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj

    Luke is in the trailer. You can’t see his face, but he’s sitting in a black cloak on Tatooine with robotic arm.

  • Loki

    Kylo Ren is Lei and HAn solo son